Medieval scholars view Britain through the lens of Scotland

Started by Imperial Dave, Jun 04, 2025, 01:49 PM

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Keraunos

Yes, interesting, but it doesn't seem to mention the point that quite a lot of what is now lowland Scotland was british (eg Welsh) for a very long time, which may well have coloured thinking.  Norman Davies' "Vanished Kingdoms" has some good chapters on this, as I recall.

Imperial Dave

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Jim Webster

Not only that but lowland Scotland was also fundamentally 'Saxon' for a long period as well

Nick Harbud

Nevertheless, the fundamental point is that for most of the last 1,000 years political figures from outside of England have seen the greater prize as being control of the whole of the British Isles rather than separation of their small corner from the rest.  Examples include most of the Stuart kings up to and including Charles Edward, as well as David Lloyd-George, Ramsey MacDonald, Neil Kinnock and Gordon Brown. 

Other notable "nationalists", such as Llywelyn ap Gruffudd or Hugh O'Neill, Earl of Tyrone, were simply out for their own aggrandisement at the expense of their immediate neighbours.
Nick Harbud

Cantabrigian

Quotethree Scottish writers outlined a vision of Britain as a kingdom ruled by the Scottish monarchy – effectively a Scottish kingdom expanded to island-wide scale.

Isn't that exactly what we have now?

Imperial Dave

Former Slingshot editor

Erpingham


Imperial Dave

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