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Justinian and the silkworm heist

Started by Imperial Dave, Oct 29, 2025, 06:34 AM

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Imperial Dave

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Duncan Head

But the smugglers couldn't be punished under the Chinese Official Secrets Act because Byzantium was not formally designated as an enemy state.
Duncan Head

nikgaukroger

And China wasn't unified at the time either.
"The Roman Empire was not murdered and nor did it die a natural death; it accidentally committed suicide."

Denis Grey

Silk moths have a life cycle of 6 to 8 weeks, so even if the monks were given eggs or very young larvae rather than adult moths, the ones that reached Byzantium would have been the descendants of the original stolen property. 

And what were they fed while they were in transit?  The modern silkworm only eats mulberry leaves, but possibly their 6th century forebearers had a less specialised diet.

Duncan Head

Quote from: Denis Grey on Oct 29, 2025, 02:06 PMAnd what were they fed while they were in transit?  The modern silkworm only eats mulberry leaves, but possibly their 6th century forebearers had a less specialised diet.
The accounts of Procopius and Theophanes, on which the story is largely based, do mention mulberry leaves, so presumably these were smuggled as well. Some species of mulberry are found in Greece, so the worms may just have had to adapt their diet slightly.
Duncan Head

Erpingham

IIRC correctly, you need to have the right sort of mulberry trees. The attempts to create an English silk worm programme in the 17th century were scuppered by the planting of the wrong type of mulberry (Black as opposed to White Mulberry).

Jim Webster

I remember reading this in one of those children's history books that was probably published between the wars  ;)

Amazing how stuff keeps coming round

Imperial Dave

Quote from: Erpingham on Oct 29, 2025, 04:04 PMIIRC correctly, you need to have the right sort of mulberry trees. The attempts to create an English silk worm programme in the 17th century were scuppered by the planting of the wrong type of mulberry (Black as opposed to White Mulberry).

Which of course is one possible explanation for the children's nursery rhyme 'here we go round the mulberry bush'  :)
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Nick Harbud

Well, according to Wikipedia, the Romans cultivated mulberry specifically for silkworms as early as 220 AD.  Apparently the Elagabalus had a silk robe made from local silk.

According to the same sources, white mulberry can be found throughout Central Asia, Middle East, Southern Europe and North Africa.

Of course, silk farming may not have survived all the excitement around the Mediterranean during the 5th and 6th centuries.  Hence, the Byzantine need to source new silkworms to keep them in sartorial spendour they thought they deserved.

:P
Nick Harbud