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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Imperial Dave on Apr 17, 2025, 04:45 PM

Title: Barbarian conspiracy of 367 caused by drought
Post by: Imperial Dave on Apr 17, 2025, 04:45 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/apr/17/british-rebellion-against-roman-legions-caused-by-drought-research-finds

Over to you....
Title: Re: Barbarian conspiracy of 367 caused by drought
Post by: Jon Freitag on Apr 17, 2025, 04:53 PM
Is there NOTHING for which Climate Change is not the culprit?
Title: Re: Barbarian conspiracy of 367 caused by drought
Post by: Imperial Dave on Apr 17, 2025, 06:17 PM
Well, I blame the weather personally....
Title: Re: Barbarian conspiracy of 367 caused by drought
Post by: Keraunos on Apr 17, 2025, 07:29 PM
Quote from: Jon Freitag on Apr 17, 2025, 04:53 PMIs there NOTHING for which Climate Change is not the culprit?

One could make the argument that even DJ Trump is a consequence of climate change  ;)

More seriously, climatic perturbations are not good for civilizations built on assumptions about prior patterns of climate and agricultural production.  By the late Roman period in Britain huge amounts were having to be invested in corn dryers on agricultural estates as the weather turned colder and wetter.  The best pulling together of evidence for the impact of climate on history that I know is Geoffrey Parker's "Global Crisis : War, Climate Change & Catastrophe in the 17th Century" but that is out of our period. 

However, it seems a bit daft to blame a conspiracy on climate change.  The climate might have had effects that increased peoples' propensity to conspire but the basic problem was the age old question "what have the Romans ever done for us?"  ;D
Title: Re: Barbarian conspiracy of 367 caused by drought
Post by: Imperial Dave on Apr 18, 2025, 06:57 AM
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/04/17/how-drought-left-britain-too-hot-handle-for-romans/

Another article on same said topic
Title: Re: Barbarian conspiracy of 367 caused by drought
Post by: Nick Harbud on Apr 21, 2025, 11:58 AM
...and, of course, none of the suggested climate disruption is attributed to anthropomorphic carbon dioxide emissions, which just goes to show - things can go to pot even when one does not drive around in a motor car!

8)
Title: Re: Barbarian conspiracy of 367 caused by drought
Post by: Imperial Dave on Apr 21, 2025, 12:37 PM
methane emitting quadrupeds....
Title: Re: Barbarian conspiracy of 367 caused by drought
Post by: Erpingham on Apr 21, 2025, 12:43 PM
Quote from: Imperial Dave on Apr 21, 2025, 12:37 PMmethane emitting quadrupeds....

Are you suggesting the Barbarian Conspiracy was driven by a shortage of, or a surplus of, MEQs? These things are important when jumping on a bandwagon, you know  :)
Title: Re: Barbarian conspiracy of 367 caused by drought
Post by: Imperial Dave on Apr 21, 2025, 01:02 PM
an excess of..... ;D
Title: Re: Barbarian conspiracy of 367 caused by drought
Post by: DBS on Apr 21, 2025, 03:53 PM
No, no, no.  Carbon emissions from excessive Wicker Man burnings on the east bank, and decadent hypocausts on the west bank of the Rhine.
Title: Re: Barbarian conspiracy of 367 caused by drought
Post by: Imperial Dave on Apr 21, 2025, 03:55 PM
ahhhhh..... mea culpa  8)