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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Imperial Dave on Nov 28, 2024, 07:57 AM

Title: Roman Soldier's shoe found in Germany
Post by: Imperial Dave on Nov 28, 2024, 07:57 AM
https://news.artnet.com/art-world/roman-soldier-shoe-found-in-germany-2570999

That's a very old soldier...
Title: Re: Roman Soldier's shoe found in Germany
Post by: Ian61 on Nov 28, 2024, 08:23 AM
Foot massage - my foot! More like torture of any imperfection occurs.😟
Title: Re: Roman Soldier's shoe found in Germany
Post by: Imperial Dave on Nov 28, 2024, 09:32 AM
Socks are the answer. 
Title: Re: Roman Soldier's shoe found in Germany
Post by: Erpingham on Nov 28, 2024, 10:13 AM
Why does it say there were no women soldiers in the Roman army?  It doesn't seem to connect to anything else.  Unless the implication is only a male soldier would throw away a kaputt boot?

Title: Re: Roman Soldier's shoe found in Germany
Post by: Imperial Dave on Nov 28, 2024, 10:14 AM
Beats me...a rather nebulous statement as you say
Title: Re: Roman Soldier's shoe found in Germany
Post by: Denis Grey on Nov 28, 2024, 11:10 AM
Quote from: Erpingham on Nov 28, 2024, 10:13 AMWhy does it say there were no women soldiers in the Roman army?  It doesn't seem to connect to anything else.  Unless the implication is only a male soldier would throw away a kaputt boot?


Possibly to forestall anticipated criticism for using a male pronoun (even though it is a direct quote).
Title: Re: Roman Soldier's shoe found in Germany
Post by: Jim Webster on Nov 28, 2024, 07:31 PM
I seem to remember somewhere reading that they took the nails out and reused them?
Title: Re: Roman Soldier's shoe found in Germany
Post by: Imperial Dave on Nov 28, 2024, 07:32 PM
That would not surprise me...
Title: Re: Roman Soldier's shoe found in Germany
Post by: Ade G on Nov 29, 2024, 03:14 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Nov 28, 2024, 10:13 AMWhy does it say there were no women soldiers in the Roman army?  It doesn't seem to connect to anything else.  Unless the implication is only a male soldier would throw away a kaputt boot?



I read as a comment about the small size?
Title: Re: Roman Soldier's shoe found in Germany
Post by: Erpingham on Nov 29, 2024, 03:30 PM
Quote from: Ade G on Nov 29, 2024, 03:14 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Nov 28, 2024, 10:13 AMWhy does it say there were no women soldiers in the Roman army?  It doesn't seem to connect to anything else.  Unless the implication is only a male soldier would throw away a kaputt boot?



I read as a comment about the small size?

Maybe, though the small size comment is several paragraphs later.  It may be an orphan from an edited passage on the small size of the boot which originally appeared earlier in the piece, I suppose.
Title: Re: Roman Soldier's shoe found in Germany
Post by: RichT on Nov 29, 2024, 04:21 PM
I too read it as a comment on the use of 'he' to refer to the boot's owner.

We take it for granted that of course there were no (or vanishingly few) women soldiers in Rome. But for a non subject expert, it might not be so obvious. Anyone under 30 has grown up with the idea that armed forces contain both genders (or more!) as a matter of course, and might not immediately assume that the same wasn't true in the ancient world (or for most of history).

Plus the writer, Vittoria Benzine, "is a Brooklyn-based journalist covering contemporary art with a focus on storytelling, counterculture, and magic" so will have rather different knowledge, expectations, and outlook from a bunch of old farts like us. Different enough to warrant a parenthetical, seven word comment on the use of 'he'.
Title: Re: Roman Soldier's shoe found in Germany
Post by: Erpingham on Nov 29, 2024, 04:29 PM
Quote from: RichT on Nov 29, 2024, 04:21 PMa Brooklyn-based journalist covering contemporary art with a focus on storytelling, counterculture, and magic

The ideal journalist to cover a story on the Roman military, of course  :) But, point taken, we should not assume that the general public know much about our subjects of interest.