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Title: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Imperial Dave on Dec 29, 2020, 07:12 PM
https://www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/18972779.council-urged-look-buying-defunct-military-repair-base-boost-roman-circus/

a) I didnt realise Roman Britain had a circus
b) I didnt realise it was the only one (at Colchester)
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Erpingham on Dec 29, 2020, 07:31 PM
We have mentioned it before but it was lost in a discussion of Arthuriana  (Camulodonum=Camelot)

Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Imperial Dave on Dec 29, 2020, 08:45 PM
C) my memory is even worse than normal
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Michael_Wolff on Dec 30, 2020, 02:23 AM
Arthur of Camelot and Aththe of Camulodunum by Gunnar Heinsohn

pdf download -> https://q-mag.org/arthur-of-camelot-and-aththe-of-camulodunum.html
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Denis Grey on Dec 30, 2020, 08:01 AM
There was also a Time Team Special about it in ?2005, which I saw when it was repeated perhaps 4 or 5 years ago. 
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Imperial Dave on Dec 30, 2020, 09:03 AM
Quote from: Michael_Wolff on Dec 30, 2020, 02:23 AM
Arthur of Camelot and Aththe of Camulodunum by Gunnar Heinsohn

pdf download -> https://q-mag.org/arthur-of-camelot-and-aththe-of-camulodunum.html

wow, thats a busy article and made my head ache a little bit reading it. Its certainly a very unusual angle on the normal Arthurian fare!
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Michael_Wolff on Dec 30, 2020, 09:17 AM
At least it gives a good excuse to shuffle Imperial Roman, Late Antiquity and Early Medieval army lists to create "historically credible" wargaming scenarios in a "believable" setting.  :D
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Imperial Dave on Dec 30, 2020, 09:27 AM
there is that aspect! on a purely 'what if' footing the shifting of the chronologies does make some sense.....but I am not going to start going against the 99.9% of the academic world about it. It is interesting though :)
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Michael_Wolff on Dec 30, 2020, 10:48 AM
Quote from: Holly on Dec 30, 2020, 09:27 AM
... It is interesting though :)

Have fun while reading:

-> https://q-mag.org/the-1st-millennium-ad-chronology-controversy.html

:)
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Imperial Dave on Dec 30, 2020, 11:57 AM
Quote from: Michael_Wolff on Dec 30, 2020, 10:48 AM
Quote from: Holly on Dec 30, 2020, 09:27 AM
... It is interesting though :)

Have fun while reading:

-> https://q-mag.org/the-1st-millennium-ad-chronology-controversy.html

:)

good grief....

well thats the rest of the day out of the window now...... ::)
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Michael_Wolff on Nov 17, 2022, 09:53 AM
Quote from: Holly on Dec 30, 2020, 09:27 AM
...on a purely 'what if' footing the shifting of the chronologies does make some sense.....but I am not going to start going against the 99.9% of the academic world about it. It is interesting though :)

Here's an interesting new article from a 'Chronology-Rebel' that goes a bit further and takes a broader view:

-> https://conjuringthepast.com/darkearth1.html
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Ian61 on Nov 17, 2022, 10:14 AM

"I think we can dispose of him [Arthur] quite briefly. He owes his place in our history books to a 'no smoke without fire' school of thought. [...] The fact of the matter is that there is no historical evidence about Arthur; we must reject him from our histories and, above all, from the titles of our books" (David N. Dumville 1977, 187 f.)

The man has no soul! I confess to being a fan of T H White's wonderful Once and future King sequence - I have Brian Sibley's  audio adaptation on my quick find bar at the top of this page. More than ever we need proper human heroes to admire.
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Erpingham on Nov 17, 2022, 10:31 AM
Quote from: Michael_Wolff on Nov 17, 2022, 09:53 AM
Quote from: Holly on Dec 30, 2020, 09:27 AM
...on a purely 'what if' footing the shifting of the chronologies does make some sense.....but I am not going to start going against the 99.9% of the academic world about it. It is interesting though :)

Here's an interesting new article from a 'Chronology-Rebel' that goes a bit further and takes a broader view:

-> https://conjuringthepast.com/darkearth1.html

Catastrophism is alive and well and living on the internet  :)

A classic case of "If we ignore 99.9% of the evidence and focus on some quirky stuff, we can claim to rewrite history"  I loved the bit where there were a number of people called Paul down the centuries, which must mean they were all the same person, which is the last one, which means Jesus must have been born in the 8th century because of Paul's Road to Damascus experience. 
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Cantabrigian on Nov 17, 2022, 12:15 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Nov 17, 2022, 10:31 AM
I loved the bit where there were a number of people called Paul down the centuries, which must mean they were all the same person
What, even the one born in Liverpool in the 1940s?
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Imperial Dave on Nov 17, 2022, 04:49 PM
Possibly.....
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Ian61 on Nov 17, 2022, 07:42 PM
I've had time to run my eye over some of this and it took me a while but i suddenly remembered where I had red very similar prose and arguments but it was in the mid seventies struggling through Immanuel Velikovsky's works Worlds in Collision and Ages in chaos - It is all set up to be very plausible but I knew a little of both the Bible and science so I tried to learn more and it was soon apparent that leaving out the circular arguments left a house of cards. As a consequence I didn't bother to read Erich von Däniken's books but did attend a lecture at Cardiff University where one of the Archology team had done extensive work in the same area as some of Von Däniken's evidence - he took his own versions of the same photos - straightened up and pulled back they become obvious natural features not laser carved by spacemen! - Ignore this rubbish.
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: dwkay57 on Nov 18, 2022, 08:43 AM
Going back to the Roman circus in Colchester - which I have a couple of times as I live there - whilst being of historical importance, it is not much of a site so any improvements would be welcome.
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Imperial Dave on Nov 18, 2022, 09:25 AM
like many such sites, as you say, any improvement would be a start
Title: Re: Colchester Counci urged to buy old Abro site to boost Roman Circus
Post by: Erpingham on Nov 18, 2022, 10:40 AM
QuoteI've had time to run my eye over some of this and it took me a while but i suddenly remembered where I had red very similar prose and arguments but it was in the mid seventies struggling through Immanuel Velikovsky's works Worlds in Collision and Ages in chaos

Indeed so.  Velikovsky also immediately came to my mind, both for the subject matter and the style.  In this case, it doesn't matter much - we can shake our heads and walk on. 

Anyway, back to Colchester ......