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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Tim on Aug 15, 2012, 07:08 PM

Title: Dimensions of New Kingdom Egyptian Bari
Post by: Tim on Aug 15, 2012, 07:08 PM
I am hoping that the brains trust here can help me.  I am trying to add to my New Kingdom Egyptian army.  In the DBM army lists the boats are listed as 'Bari'.  I have NO idea what one of them looks like, my only description coming from Stillman and Tallis.  Having tried and failed to buy a few in 15mm or 6mm scale I am having to resort to scratch building.

The Abydos boats discovered in 2000 were recorded as 75' x 7-10' (22m x 2-3m).  I think that might be too small for something with 10 oars per side.  Does anyone know of the dimensions of a Bari from the New Kingdom period (1500-1300 BC by the conventional dating)?
Title: Re: Dimensions of New Kingdom Egyptian Bari
Post by: Duncan Head on Aug 15, 2012, 07:46 PM
You could try http://anthropology.tamu.edu/papers/Monroe-MA1990.pdf (http://anthropology.tamu.edu/papers/Monroe-MA1990.pdf) - "The boatbuilding industry of New Kingdom Egypt" - though on a quick scan I can't find anything on size of warships.

However as to what they look like, try pictures of the Medinet Habu relief of the naval battle with the Sea Peoples - http://www.artsales.com/ARTistory/Ancient_Ships/06_egyptian_galleons.html (http://www.artsales.com/ARTistory/Ancient_Ships/06_egyptian_galleons.html), http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2010/07/12/The-Philistines-Enter-Canaan-Were-They-Egyptian-Lackeys-or-Invading-Conquerors.aspx (http://www.biblearchaeology.org/post/2010/07/12/The-Philistines-Enter-Canaan-Were-They-Egyptian-Lackeys-or-Invading-Conquerors.aspx) or http://computerstrategies.bigpondhosting.com/Heroes.htm (http://computerstrategies.bigpondhosting.com/Heroes.htm) for instance.

Essex do 15mm boats - look at "DBM boats" in their 15mm online catalogue. BOAT 3 plus Egyptian crew would be the one, there's a photo on their site.
Title: Re: Dimensions of New Kingdom Egyptian Bari
Post by: Mark on Aug 15, 2012, 08:34 PM
If you go to the artsales link on Duncan's post, there is a reconstruction derived from the relief - hopefully it will display here:

(https://forum.soa.org.uk/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.artsales.com%2FARTistory%2FAncient_Ships%2Fimages%2FRameses_lll_Galleon.jpg&hash=52f9a1e5483d989978b0c8cdc58c53d38352506e)

Study of the inscription (more from a Sea Peoples point of view, but interesting) at http://anthropology.tamu.edu/papers/Romey-MA2003.pdf

Dimensions discussed at http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/timelines/topics/seagoingvessels.htm ... it goes for 22m long and 5m wide for the merchantmen based on the wall painting at Deir al Barhi - and that looks bigger than the Medinet Habu boat.


Title: Re: Dimensions of New Kingdom Egyptian Bari
Post by: Tim on Aug 16, 2012, 07:22 PM
Duncan and Mark, thank you as always.  That gives me what I need.  I might try Essex.