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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: RichT on Apr 02, 2020, 06:35 PM

Title: Aramaic documents from ancient Bactria
Post by: RichT on Apr 02, 2020, 06:35 PM
These must be old news to those in the know, but I hadn't come across them before - a collection of 4th C Achaemenid documents some dealing with recruitment and supply, from Bactria, including one from the forces under Bessus fighting Alexander. Nicely presented here:

https://www.aramaicdocuments.com/

with summaries but not translations (for which presumably you'd have to buy the book). Give a nice insight into Achaemenid bureaucracy, unfortunately without specifying the size of the army :)
Title: Re: Aramaic documents from ancient Bactria
Post by: Jim Webster on Apr 02, 2020, 06:47 PM
Quote from: RichT on Apr 02, 2020, 06:35 PM
These must be old news to those in the know, but I hadn't come across them before - a collection of 4th C Achaemenid documents some dealing with recruitment and supply, from Bactria, including one from the forces under Bessus fighting Alexander. Nicely presented here:

https://www.aramaicdocuments.com/

with summaries but not translations (for which presumably you'd have to buy the book). Give a nice insight into Achaemenid bureaucracy, unfortunately without specifying the size of the army :)

fascinating, does it mention when the book is coming out?
Title: Re: Aramaic documents from ancient Bactria
Post by: Duncan Head on Apr 02, 2020, 07:57 PM
Quote from: Jim Webster on Apr 02, 2020, 06:47 PM
fascinating, does it mention when the book is coming out?

Out since 2012. (https://amazon.co.uk/Aramaic-Documents-Ancient-Bactria-Collection/dp/1874780749/)

I was vaguely aware of the find, but not of the book. Ordered a copy now.
Title: Re: Aramaic documents from ancient Bactria
Post by: RichT on Apr 02, 2020, 08:22 PM
Quote from: Duncan Head on Apr 02, 2020, 07:57 PM
Ordered a copy now.

At that price it would be wrong not to. :)
Title: Re: Aramaic documents from ancient Bactria
Post by: Tim on Apr 02, 2020, 08:34 PM
I
MUST
NOT
BUY
ANY
NEW
BOOKS
UNTIL
I
HAVE
READ
THE
LAST
LOT
...
Title: Re: Aramaic documents from ancient Bactria
Post by: Duncan Head on Apr 02, 2020, 08:37 PM
Quote from: Tim on Apr 02, 2020, 08:34 PM
I
MUST
NOT
BUY
ANY
NEW
BOOKS
UNTIL
I
HAVE
READ
THE
LAST
LOT
...

Such thinking is completely alien to me.
Title: Re: Aramaic documents from ancient Bactria
Post by: Mark G on Apr 03, 2020, 06:29 AM
At the rate you post to the currently reading thread, Duncan, that carries a lot more rate than it does for the rest of us
Title: Re: Aramaic documents from ancient Bactria
Post by: aligern on Apr 03, 2020, 07:38 AM
Oh come on Tim
I
Must
Buy
Those
Books
I
have
been
wanting
in
case
Amazon
closes
down

Two vols iof tge New Cambridge Medieval History  and Justinian's Men arrive this weekend

Cheers
Roy
Title: Re: Aramaic documents from ancient Bactria
Post by: Erpingham on Apr 03, 2020, 09:02 AM
Quote from: Mark G on Apr 03, 2020, 06:29 AM
At the rate you post to the currently reading thread, Duncan, that carries a lot more rate than it does for the rest of us

My current estimate is that Duncan reads at about 10 times my rate.  I am in awe.
Title: Re: Aramaic documents from ancient Bactria
Post by: Imperial Dave on Apr 03, 2020, 09:35 AM
Quote from: Erpingham on Apr 03, 2020, 09:02 AM
Quote from: Mark G on Apr 03, 2020, 06:29 AM
At the rate you post to the currently reading thread, Duncan, that carries a lot more rate than it does for the rest of us

My current estimate is that Duncan reads at about 10 times my rate.  I am in awe.

and you probably read 10 times more than me.... ;D
Title: Re: Aramaic documents from ancient Bactria
Post by: Andreas Johansson on Apr 03, 2020, 09:36 AM
Duncan doesn't actually read books, he just commands them to give up their knowledge.

Myself, I've mostly been reading out-of-period (either direction) stuff lately. Perhaps unexpectedly, the lockdown doesn't seem to have much effect on how much I read, but the free e-books from Osprey means my backlog has been growing at an alarming rate. Not that I'll feel all that bad if I never get around to reading books I got for free and don't take up any space on the bookshelves.

Closer to the topic, it's fascinating how the Persians adopt not merely the Aramaic script but also the Aramaic language so far from Aramaic-speaking regions - to write Iranian languages in Aramaic script apparently doesn't occur to anyone until the third century.

(That such writing - known as Pahlavi - arises in the 3rd century, apparently first among the Parthians, is perhaps something to do with the relevant parts of Iran no longer being politically united with the Aramaic-speaking lands.)
Title: Re: Aramaic documents from ancient Bactria
Post by: Jim Webster on Apr 03, 2020, 02:55 PM
I've put the book on my 'wanted list' on amazon. Basically if it suddenly appears second hand and cheaper or I get flush, I remember that it's there  :-[
Title: Re: Aramaic documents from ancient Bactria
Post by: Duncan Head on Apr 07, 2020, 04:39 PM
Quote from: Duncan Head on Apr 02, 2020, 07:57 PMI was vaguely aware of the find, but not of the book. Ordered a copy now.

And now it's been cancelled due to "an influx of orders" and amazon have nothing left at less than £60, while abebooks' cheapest is over £50 with postage. Boo hiss.