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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Duncan Head on Jul 06, 2026, 10:51 AM

Title: How Mediaeval Britons Remembered the Fall of Roman Britain
Post by: Duncan Head on Jul 06, 2026, 10:51 AM
Mostly Gildas.
https://www.thecollector.com/legions-legends-fall-roman-britain/
Title: Re: How Mediaeval Britons Remembered the Fall of Roman Britain
Post by: Jim Webster on Jul 06, 2026, 11:24 AM
Quote from: Duncan Head on Jul 06, 2026, 10:51 AMMostly Gildas.
https://www.thecollector.com/legions-legends-fall-roman-britain/

Interesting the distance between Gildas and the events he recalls is about the same as between us and the wars of Napoleon.
Assuming in his day, Gildas had access to some historical records is he attempting to do what we would be doing if we attempted to write the history of Europe from 1790 to 1820 having in our possession two or three randomly surviving books from the Sharpe series?
Title: Re: How Mediaeval Britons Remembered the Fall of Roman Britain
Post by: stevenneate on Jul 06, 2026, 11:49 AM
At least Bernard Cornwell names the cast of characters.
Title: Re: How Mediaeval Britons Remembered the Fall of Roman Britain
Post by: Imperial Dave on Jul 06, 2026, 12:47 PM
Thanks Duncan
Title: Re: How Mediaeval Britons Remembered the Fall of Roman Britain
Post by: nikgaukroger on Jul 06, 2026, 12:53 PM
Quote from: Jim Webster on Jul 06, 2026, 11:24 AM
Quote from: Duncan Head on Jul 06, 2026, 10:51 AMMostly Gildas.
https://www.thecollector.com/legions-legends-fall-roman-britain/

Interesting the distance between Gildas and the events he recalls is about the same as between us and the wars of Napoleon.
Assuming in his day, Gildas had access to some historical records is he attempting to do what we would be doing if we attempted to write the history of Europe from 1790 to 1820 having in our possession two or three randomly surviving books from the Sharpe series?

Not really. It is a sermon/polemic decrying the behaviour of the times, not a history.
Title: Re: How Mediaeval Britons Remembered the Fall of Roman Britain
Post by: Jim Webster on Jul 06, 2026, 01:13 PM
Quote from: nikgaukroger on Jul 06, 2026, 12:53 PM
Quote from: Jim Webster on Jul 06, 2026, 11:24 AM
Quote from: Duncan Head on Jul 06, 2026, 10:51 AMMostly Gildas.
https://www.thecollector.com/legions-legends-fall-roman-britain/

Interesting the distance between Gildas and the events he recalls is about the same as between us and the wars of Napoleon.
Assuming in his day, Gildas had access to some historical records is he attempting to do what we would be doing if we attempted to write the history of Europe from 1790 to 1820 having in our possession two or three randomly surviving books from the Sharpe series?

Not really. It is a sermon/polemic decrying the behaviour of the times, not a history.

Yes, it's a very frustrating document to read. But he has to have enough history correct (in the eyes of his readers) to ensure that they aren't dropped out of the flow of his argument by glaring errors.
Title: Re: How Mediaeval Britons Remembered the Fall of Roman Britain
Post by: Nick Harbud on Jul 06, 2026, 03:57 PM
Really?  This has never concerned many recent politicians.    :P
Title: Re: How Mediaeval Britons Remembered the Fall of Roman Britain
Post by: Imperial Dave on Jul 06, 2026, 06:11 PM
Don't forget that 2 generations pass and eye witness accounts fade fast...