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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Imperial Dave on Oct 24, 2025, 05:15 PM

Title: Did Homer describe the bronze age?
Post by: Imperial Dave on Oct 24, 2025, 05:15 PM
https://www.thecollector.com/did-homer-describe-bronze-age/

Over for comment....
Title: Re: Did Homer describe the bronze age?
Post by: Jim Webster on Oct 24, 2025, 05:53 PM
A comment I remember reading, way back, is that warfare described by Nestor is different to that practiced in front of Troy
Title: Re: Did Homer describe the bronze age?
Post by: Nick Harbud on Oct 25, 2025, 09:15 AM
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Title: Re: Did Homer describe the bronze age?
Post by: Imperial Dave on Oct 25, 2025, 11:42 AM
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Title: Re: Did Homer describe the bronze age?
Post by: Erpingham on Oct 25, 2025, 11:58 AM
Returning to the article, I was a bit surprised that the author's approach was so binary. I can't see why Homer's inclusion of occassional Bronze Age elements has to be explained away.  Homer was aware no doubt that his story was set in the past, so (as a good storyteller) he dropped in some historical flavour. It is plausible to suggest there were already earlier storytelling that may have provided those sort of elements and, indeed, audiences would expect them to be referenced.
Title: Re: Did Homer describe the bronze age?
Post by: Sharur on Oct 25, 2025, 03:32 PM
Given that no one can really say who Homer was now (perhaps not just one person at all), and whether the texts cited to him were his originals, or based in whole or part on earlier materials, it's far from clear to me what point such clickbait stories are meant to have - beyond being exactly that, clickbait.
Title: Re: Did Homer describe the bronze age?
Post by: Erpingham on Oct 25, 2025, 04:51 PM
While the story may be clickbait, it may also be meant to surprise those who assumed Homer's story was "true" to the period he sets his tale in. If we consider it may in fact represent pre-hoplite Iron Age warfare, this does present some interesting wargamer questions.

For example, if Homer isn't referencing Bronze Age warfare, what should my Mycenaean army be like and fight like?  Should my chariots be battle taxis? Or were the large chariot forces of the palaces actual fighting platforms in a more Middle Eastern sort of a way? 

If, however, I want a Homeric army, do I need to ditch the Trojan War figures and look for something later?
Title: Re: Did Homer describe the bronze age?
Post by: stevenneate on Oct 26, 2025, 06:56 AM
So, an excuse to build your Mycenaean army in at least 3 different styles just to preserve possible historical accuracy?

Brilliant!
Title: Re: Did Homer describe the bronze age?
Post by: Imperial Dave on Oct 26, 2025, 06:58 AM
Got to be done  :)
Title: Re: Did Homer describe the bronze age?
Post by: Jim Webster on Oct 26, 2025, 09:39 AM
On a more serious note, I've read comments like the 'Book of the Ships' within the Iliad, and the choice of commanders owes far more to the Bronze age than the putative time of Homer.