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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Imperial Dave on Jun 23, 2025, 05:05 AM

Title: The Battle of Strasbourg 357AD
Post by: Imperial Dave on Jun 23, 2025, 05:05 AM
https://www.thecollector.com/battle-strasbourg-rome-vs-alamanni/

Hopefully firing up enthusiasm for wargaming the campaign....
Title: Re: The Battle of Strasbourg 357AD
Post by: CarlL on Jun 23, 2025, 06:24 PM
I think the history and the 'paradigm' of the victory of the last (pagan = not Christian) Emperor are probably draws to us all gaming this period. Not sure about the campaign, have to re-read this from the Roman history.

I followed your link but didn't last long there as it throws up so much crap - ads and whatever - that its hard to focus on any content.

Would (from memory) Ammianus Marcelliuns be our source?

CarlL
Title: Re: The Battle of Strasbourg 357AD
Post by: nikgaukroger on Jun 23, 2025, 07:17 PM
John Drinkwater's "The Alamanni and Rome" has a good analysis of the campaign as well as being well worth reading anyway.

Ammianus is indeed the main source. Libanius and Zosimus in addition.
Title: Re: The Battle of Strasbourg 357AD
Post by: DBS on Jun 23, 2025, 07:24 PM
Ammianus is indeed the primary source.

IIRC, without digging out the text, there are some oddities such as Julian marching to Troyes with just cataphracts and ballistarii, which even Ammianus has to admit was a tad sub-optimal when they were repeatedly harassed on the march by Germans.

There is also, of course, dear old Serapio, your standard hairy barbarian king who, errr, happens to be named for a pagan Egyptian god.  One of those occasions where the filthy barbarian vs noble Roman meme breaks down a tad as Ammianus has to admit that Serapio's father named him such because of a very long sojourn as a Roman hostage.

EDIT: posted at same time as Nik.  There are also some suspicions that, as with possibly a lot of Roman vs barbarian battles, the Roman sources may have exaggerated the German numbers, and that, shockingly, the Romans may have outnumbered their foes in reality.  After all, one advantage of a professional and well organised army ought to be the ability to get larger numbers of chaps to the battlefield to get a decisive result.  Again, spoils the meme a bit, but only an idiot thinks a "fair" fight is a good idea.
Title: Re: The Battle of Strasbourg 357AD
Post by: Jim Webster on Jun 23, 2025, 07:26 PM
Quote from: Imperial Dave on Jun 23, 2025, 05:05 AMhttps://www.thecollector.com/battle-strasbourg-rome-vs-alamanni/

Hopefully firing up enthusiasm for wargaming the campaign....

What 'wargaming the campaign?' 
Is this a cunning plan you're preparing in your secret holiday hideaway, complete with volcano and white cat, or have I missed something?
Title: Re: The Battle of Strasbourg 357AD
Post by: Imperial Dave on Jun 23, 2025, 07:36 PM
Not this week Jim but gave me a thought  :)