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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Imperial Dave on Feb 13, 2025, 05:44 AM

Title: Roman concrete
Post by: Imperial Dave on Feb 13, 2025, 05:44 AM
https://www.sciencealert.com/we-finally-know-why-ancient-roman-concrete-was-so-durable

Hopefully of passing interest
Title: Re: Roman concrete
Post by: Ian61 on Feb 13, 2025, 08:56 AM
Very good. I have seen other speculations on this but it should be noted that even standard concrete heats a bit on mixing with water. It used to be a standard experiment for O level/ GCSE Chemistry to heat limestone to form quicklime, CaO which is allowed to cool but adding a little water the reaction is so exothermic the water will boil. :)
Title: Re: Roman concrete
Post by: Imperial Dave on Feb 13, 2025, 09:49 AM
And hence why it's pretty nasty stuff...
Title: Re: Roman concrete
Post by: Ian61 on Feb 13, 2025, 09:52 AM
Quote from: Imperial Dave on Feb 13, 2025, 09:49 AMAnd hence why it's pretty nasty stuff...

It is easy to forget that we are basically bags of water on a framework!
Title: Re: Roman concrete
Post by: Imperial Dave on Feb 13, 2025, 09:56 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Roman concrete
Post by: Erpingham on Feb 13, 2025, 10:34 AM
Quote from: Ian61 on Feb 13, 2025, 08:56 AMIt used to be a standard experiment for O level/ GCSE Chemistry to heat limestone to form quicklime, CaO which is allowed to cool but adding a little water the reaction is so exothermic the water will boil. :)

Lime mortar, commonly used in heritage restorations, needs special care in site safety terms for this reason.  Imagine mixing buckets of boiling sludge  :o Quicklime was also used as a blinding agent in Medieval naval and siege warfare.  Ah, those days of chivalry.
Title: Re: Roman concrete
Post by: Justin Swanton on Feb 13, 2025, 11:17 AM
Modern concrete structures won't last nearly as long - maybe 100 years (https://www.quora.com/How-long-are-our-current-day-concrete-structures-designed-to-last).

Reminds me of a documentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG6mhtVAkV8) on what would happen if all humans suddenly disappeared from the Earth. Upshot is that after 1000 years nothing would remain of our modern structures. But the Pantheon and the pyramids would still be there.
Title: Re: Roman concrete
Post by: Erpingham on Feb 13, 2025, 11:27 AM
Quote from: Justin Swanton on Feb 13, 2025, 11:17 AMModern concrete structures won't last nearly as long - maybe 100 years (https://www.quora.com/How-long-are-our-current-day-concrete-structures-designed-to-last).

If you're lucky and they are not made of RAAC. :(
Title: Re: Roman concrete
Post by: Nick Harbud on Feb 13, 2025, 11:31 AM
Less than 40 years in the case of reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete...  :(
Title: Re: Roman concrete
Post by: Imperial Dave on Feb 13, 2025, 11:33 AM
Quote from: Justin Swanton on Feb 13, 2025, 11:17 AMModern concrete structures won't last nearly as long - maybe 100 years (https://www.quora.com/How-long-are-our-current-day-concrete-structures-designed-to-last).

Reminds me of a documentary (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG6mhtVAkV8) on what would happen if all humans suddenly disappeared from the Earth. Upshot is that after 1000 years nothing would remain of our modern structures. But the Pantheon and the pyramids would still be there.

And my lead pile.....
Title: Re: Roman concrete
Post by: Justin Swanton on Feb 13, 2025, 11:38 AM
I think that deep down we know our modern civilisation is a very temporary affair and act accordingly, not building for the long term (I've lived my whole life in Africa where the watchword is You Can't Stop Regress).
Title: Re: Roman concrete
Post by: Imperial Dave on Feb 13, 2025, 11:41 AM
The earth has only got about another billion years anyway so I wouldn't worry about it  :)
Title: Re: Roman concrete
Post by: Justin Swanton on Feb 13, 2025, 11:46 AM
Quote from: Imperial Dave on Feb 13, 2025, 11:41 AMThe earth has only got about another billion years anyway so I wouldn't worry about it  :)
Mmmmh...about 500 million before the water is boiled off by the sun.
Title: Re: Roman concrete
Post by: Imperial Dave on Feb 13, 2025, 12:13 PM
Even less time to worry about it then  :)