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History => Ancient and Medieval History => Topic started by: Dave Knight on Dec 19, 2022, 03:02 PM

Title: Drawing of a Numidian cavalryman in Spain
Post by: Dave Knight on Dec 19, 2022, 03:02 PM
https://english.elpais.com/culture/2022-12-15/study-sheds-light-on-mysterious-mounted-warrior-from-africa-who-fought-the-roman-legions.html
Title: Re: Drawing of a Numidian cavalryman in Spain
Post by: Duncan Head on Dec 19, 2022, 03:45 PM
Very interesting - thanks, David. Perea Yébenes's original article (in Spanish) is available in pdf from  https://ojs.unica.it/index.php/caster/article/view/5229

The figure does look overall plausible as a Numidian; the author admits that the horse-furniture has both African and Spanish features - I think it looks more Spanish, and I wouldn't like to rule out the idea of the rider being an Iberian as previously suggested.
Title: Re: Drawing of a Numidian cavalryman in Spain
Post by: DBS on Dec 28, 2022, 09:12 AM
Quote from: Duncan Head on Dec 19, 2022, 03:45 PM
Very interesting - thanks, David. Perea Yébenes's original article (in Spanish) is available in pdf from  https://ojs.unica.it/index.php/caster/article/view/5229

The figure does look overall plausible as a Numidian; the author admits that the horse-furniture has both African and Spanish features - I think it looks more Spanish, and I wouldn't like to rule out the idea of the rider being an Iberian as previously suggested.
If in hunting rather than warrior guise, the paucity of other equipment would not indicate against an Iberian either.
Title: Re: Drawing of a Numidian cavalryman in Spain
Post by: Jim Webster on Dec 28, 2022, 02:47 PM
I suppose it might depend how long a Numidian had been serving outside Africa. We know that some had several horses (Livy mentions it with Hannibal's Numidians) and as horses went lame or died, they would have to be replaced. Spanish horses would be easier to get than importing ponies from overseas.
I suspect that Numidians were quicker to adjust to Spanish tack than Spanish horses were to adjust to being tacked up 'in Numidian fashion'
I often wonder how many African horses were left among the Numidian horsemen in Italy during Hannibal's campaigns
Title: Re: Drawing of a Numidian cavalryman in Spain
Post by: DBS on Dec 28, 2022, 04:57 PM
Indeed, and there is also the inherent assumption that "simple savages" like the Numidians were somehow resistant to a bit of bling for their horses if opportunity came their way.  A Numidian who had been serving any length of time in Spain and engaged in active campaigning might well have had plenty of opportunity to tart up both the nag and himself.
Title: Re: Drawing of a Numidian cavalryman in Spain
Post by: Erpingham on Dec 28, 2022, 05:01 PM
Quote from: DBS on Dec 28, 2022, 04:57 PM
Indeed, and there is also the inherent assumption that "simple savages" like the Numidians were somehow resistant to a bit of bling for their horses if opportunity came their way.  A Numidian who had been serving any length of time in Spain and engaged in active campaigning might well have had plenty of opportunity to tart up both the nag and himself.

A sort of ancient version of "Pimp my Ride"?

It would be useful to have a better line drawing of the piece to test the accuracy of the rough sketch, especially where the rider is concerned.
Title: Re: Drawing of a Numidian cavalryman in Spain
Post by: Swampster on Dec 29, 2022, 03:42 PM
The blingiest bit is perhaps the plume on the horse's head. I think, though, that the original item had this missing so this is artistic licence.