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Title: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Imperial Dave on Jul 15, 2022, 12:34 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/62147953

wouldnt it be funny if they did turn up a body....... :o
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Tarnegol on Jul 15, 2022, 02:02 PM
...with an inscribed lead cross...
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Imperial Dave on Jul 15, 2022, 02:10 PM
and a little goblet....
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Erpingham on Jul 15, 2022, 02:21 PM
Other than its name, how is it linked to King Arthur?   What local legends support the connection?  I say this because I've been to this place (well. passed it) and I remember it being on a hill, not anything resembling an island  ???
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Anton on Jul 15, 2022, 03:38 PM
If memory serves and it's the right one it is fancied as the grave of the son of Arthur the Soldier.  Does it not change dimensions each time it is measured?

A lot of these very old monuments got repurposed in Late Antiquity.

I hope we get to read what they find.
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Jim Webster on Jul 15, 2022, 05:09 PM
Quote from: Holly on Jul 15, 2022, 02:10 PM
and a little goblet....

Wearing a late Roman cavalry helmet with his name on the inside of the brim   8)
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Imperial Dave on Jul 15, 2022, 10:04 PM
indeed..... ;D
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Anton on Jul 15, 2022, 11:34 PM
Not sure if the geography works but is this the one?

"There is another miracle in the region which is called Ercing. A sepulcra is shown near a spring which is given the name Licat Amr, and the name of the hero who's grave is in the tumulus, it follows, was called Amr. He was the son of Arthur the soldier, and he himself has killed him in that very place and done the burying. And men come to measure the tumulus in length: sometimes it is six feet; sometimes nine; sometimes twelve; sometimes fifteen. For whatever the measurement you will measure it in such a succession, again you will not find it with the same measurement; and even I have made confirmation on my own." 1,2
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Imperial Dave on Jul 16, 2022, 06:16 AM
thats the one. Ercing was a region of NE Gwent
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Erpingham on Jul 16, 2022, 08:19 AM
Quote from: Holly on Jul 16, 2022, 06:16 AM
thats the one. Ercing was a region of NE Gwent

A quick search online alternatively suggest Licat Amr is at a place called Gamber Head or in Wormelow. 

The story does offer a way of confirming the identification.  If the archaeologists measure the tomb two days running and the size is the same, it isn't Licat Amr. :)
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Erpingham on Jul 18, 2022, 10:21 AM
Bit more from the Beeb here (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-62183471), with a bit more on associated legends.
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Imperial Dave on Jul 18, 2022, 11:30 AM
http://britishfolklore.com/arthurs-stone

I am sure there is more info somewhere. I'll have a look in Hando's Gwent
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Swampster on Jul 19, 2022, 07:22 AM
I went there on one of my trips to Hay. I'd forgotten it had an Arthur link.
For the record, it was 8' 11 3/4" when I was there :)
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Imperial Dave on Jul 19, 2022, 08:30 AM
its a very nice area all round
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Erpingham on Jul 19, 2022, 08:42 AM
Quote from: Holly on Jul 19, 2022, 08:30 AM
its a very nice area all round

Agreed.  We had a very nice holiday in the Golden Valley one year.  Castles just across the border, prehistoric monuments, Kilpeck church with its carvings, good local produce (including cider).  And pretty too.
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Imperial Dave on Jul 19, 2022, 09:34 AM
I cycle up there alot. The Valley D'Or is very pretty although the road is a stinker when you climb up towards Gospel Pass and Hay Bluff!
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Imperial Dave on Jul 23, 2022, 05:29 AM
https://www.theguardian.com/science/2022/jul/22/weird-wonderful-rare-dig-at-arthurs-stone-writes-new-story-of-neolithic-site?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

more stuff on it
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Anton on Jul 23, 2022, 11:04 AM
I must look up Amr in Koch's Celtic Encyclopedia.  If I find an entry I will report back.  Unless anyone happens to know already?
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Imperial Dave on Jul 23, 2022, 12:44 PM
I'll look too. from memory Amr, Amir or Amhar is one of the 3 (or 4!) children of Arthur.
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Anton on Jul 23, 2022, 01:47 PM
A useful exercise in itself Dave.  I didn't know about the other kids.
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Ade G on Jul 23, 2022, 05:49 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Jul 19, 2022, 08:42 AM
Quote from: Holly on Jul 19, 2022, 08:30 AM
its a very nice area all round

Agreed.  We had a very nice holiday in the Golden Valley one year.  Castles just across the border, prehistoric monuments, Kilpeck church with its carvings, good local produce (including cider).  And pretty too.

I once saved a group of Buddhists from a goose attack in the Golden Valley...
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Erpingham on Jul 23, 2022, 05:51 PM
Quote from: Ade G on Jul 23, 2022, 05:49 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Jul 19, 2022, 08:42 AM
Quote from: Holly on Jul 19, 2022, 08:30 AM
its a very nice area all round

Agreed.  We had a very nice holiday in the Golden Valley one year.  Castles just across the border, prehistoric monuments, Kilpeck church with its carvings, good local produce (including cider).  And pretty too.

I once saved a group of Buddhists from a goose attack in the Golden Valley...

A feat worthy of Arthur himself !
Title: Re: Arthur's Stone: Archaeologists dig up tomb linked to King Arthur
Post by: Anton on Jul 23, 2022, 07:35 PM
Geese can be tricky.  No mean feat.