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Title: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 16, 2021, 09:46 PM
https://www.banburyguardian.co.uk/news/people/time-team-returns-to-our-screens-to-excavate-roman-villa-discovered-in-banburyshire-fields-near-broughton-castle-3167567

apparently the 1st Time Team 'revamp' dig now chosen! Should be a good one to start the new series off with
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Jim Webster on Mar 17, 2021, 05:53 PM
Quote from: Holly on Mar 16, 2021, 09:46 PM
https://www.banburyguardian.co.uk/news/people/time-team-returns-to-our-screens-to-excavate-roman-villa-discovered-in-banburyshire-fields-near-broughton-castle-3167567

apparently the 1st Time Team 'revamp' dig now chosen! Should be a good one to start the new series off with

I checked, there are 23 places named Broughton in the UK

This is one of those I hadn't heard of ;D
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Erpingham on Mar 17, 2021, 06:15 PM
The next challenge is to find out how to pronounce it. 

Browton, Brawton, Bruffton are ones I've come across.
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: RichT on Mar 17, 2021, 07:12 PM
Brawton, indubitably.
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Justin Swanton on Mar 17, 2021, 07:33 PM
Browton?
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 17, 2021, 08:16 PM
Quote from: RichT on Mar 17, 2021, 07:12 PM
Brawton, indubitably.

I concur
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Erpingham on Mar 18, 2021, 08:53 AM
Quote from: Holly on Mar 17, 2021, 08:16 PM
Quote from: RichT on Mar 17, 2021, 07:12 PM
Brawton, indubitably.

I concur

Is your concurrence based on actual knowledge or just that the Brawton pronunciation seems more common?
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: RichT on Mar 18, 2021, 09:18 AM
Quote from: Erpingham on Mar 18, 2021, 08:53 AM
based on actual knowledge or just that the Brawton pronunciation seems more common?

What's the difference? In cases like this, the more common pronunciation is the actual one.

Bro-ton is another contender I believe (Domesday might support that). I've always said Brawton and friends in Banbury say Brawton. It's a while since I've been there (the castle) so I can't swear to what the people there say; but for some reason I don't have any doubts it's Brawton so either some part of my brain remembers, or I'm losing my marbles. Even money.

I can't answer for Dave's concurrence of course - with luck he is Broughton born and bred?

I wonder what Time Team will say.
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Erpingham on Mar 18, 2021, 09:28 AM
Thanks Richard.  You clearly have enough local knowledge to vouch for the pronunciation and I will happily go with that.  The one I grew up near (in Northamptonshire) is a Browton.

Always try to get the local pronunciation in these matters, I reckon. 
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: RichT on Mar 18, 2021, 09:57 AM
Happily Fiona Bruce (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3a75rv) agrees (40 secs in), so my marbles remain intact, for now.

Just be grateful it's not in Kirkcudbright or on Maoile Lunndaidh.
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Erpingham on Mar 18, 2021, 10:53 AM
Quote from: RichT on Mar 18, 2021, 09:57 AM
Happily Fiona Bruce (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3a75rv) agrees (40 secs in), so my marbles remain intact, for now.

Just be grateful it's not in Kirkcudbright or on Maoile Lunndaidh.

Or Slaithewaite.  Or Appletreewick for that matter :)
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 18, 2021, 01:04 PM
Quote from: RichT on Mar 18, 2021, 09:57 AM
Happily Fiona Bruce (https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3a75rv) agrees (40 secs in), so my marbles remain intact, for now.

Just be grateful it's not in Kirkcudbright or on Maoile Lunndaidh.

exactly  :)
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Nick Harbud on Mar 19, 2021, 08:33 AM
If you want a real challenge, you should try the capital of Thailand.  It is written

กรุงเทพมหานคร อมรรัตนโกสินทร์ มหินทรายุธยา มหาดิลกภพ นพรัตนราชธานีบูรีรมย์ อุดมราชนิเวศน์มหาสถาน อมรพิมานอวตารสถิต สักกะทัตติยวิษณุกรรมประสิทธิ์

but most of the locals just use the first two syllables 'Krung Thep'.  Incidentally, the translation of the above is

'City of angels, great city of immortals, magnificent city of the nine gems, seat of the king, city of royal palaces, home of gods incarnate, erected by Vishvakarman at Indra's behest'

Quite a mouthful and easily beating the name of anywhere in Wales or Northamptonshire.

8)
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 19, 2021, 08:37 AM
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch

;D
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Nick Harbud on Mar 19, 2021, 10:48 AM
...and the translation is...
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Mick Hession on Mar 19, 2021, 11:21 AM
Quote from: NickHarbud on Mar 19, 2021, 10:48 AM
...and the translation is...

"Let's wreck the heads of foreigners who can't speak our language"  ;D

Cheers
Mick
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Justin Swanton on Mar 19, 2021, 11:31 AM
Apparently nobody writes postcards to this place.

(https://i.imgur.com/dpvfLxc.jpg)
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 19, 2021, 11:35 AM
close  ;D

translation is roughly

The church of St. Mary in the hollow of white hazel trees near the rapid whirlpool by St. Tysilio's of the red cave
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Erpingham on Mar 19, 2021, 11:54 AM
Quote from: Justin Swanton on Mar 19, 2021, 11:31 AM
Apparently nobody writes postcards to this place.

(https://i.imgur.com/dpvfLxc.jpg)

This one is about shooting two buffaloes with one shot, isn't it?
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Justin Swanton on Mar 19, 2021, 12:38 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Mar 19, 2021, 11:54 AM
This one is about shooting two buffaloes with one shot, isn't it?

Yep. "Two-buffaloes-with-one-bullet-shot-stone-dead-fountain"
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 19, 2021, 12:40 PM
presumably with a 50cal?  ;D
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Erpingham on Mar 19, 2021, 12:42 PM
Quote from: Justin Swanton on Mar 19, 2021, 12:38 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Mar 19, 2021, 11:54 AM
This one is about shooting two buffaloes with one shot, isn't it?

Yep. "Two-buffaloes-with-one-bullet-shot-stone-dead-fountain"

Oddly, I came across this researching ox wagons in relation to Goth migration just the other week. 
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 19, 2021, 12:44 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Mar 19, 2021, 12:42 PM
Quote from: Justin Swanton on Mar 19, 2021, 12:38 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Mar 19, 2021, 11:54 AM
This one is about shooting two buffaloes with one shot, isn't it?

Yep. "Two-buffaloes-with-one-bullet-shot-stone-dead-fountain"

Oddly, I came across this researching ox wagons in relation to Goth migration just the other week.

now that is bizarre....!
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Erpingham on Mar 19, 2021, 12:55 PM
Quote from: Holly on Mar 19, 2021, 12:44 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Mar 19, 2021, 12:42 PM
Quote from: Justin Swanton on Mar 19, 2021, 12:38 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Mar 19, 2021, 11:54 AM
This one is about shooting two buffaloes with one shot, isn't it?

Yep. "Two-buffaloes-with-one-bullet-shot-stone-dead-fountain"

Oddly, I came across this researching ox wagons in relation to Goth migration just the other week.

now that is bizarre....!

Especially as trek wagons and proposed Goth wagons probably have nothing in common :)  The fact that trek wagons used six to eight span of oxen compared with the largest number I've seen attached to a Roman wagon is two is crucial.  Boer wagons would have had either greater carrying capacity or longer endurance or probably both.
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Justin Swanton on Mar 19, 2021, 05:00 PM
Quote from: Holly on Mar 19, 2021, 12:40 PM
presumably with a 50cal?  ;D

No...

(https://i.imgur.com/OsO3BCs.jpg)
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 19, 2021, 07:40 PM
Quote from: Justin Swanton on Mar 19, 2021, 05:00 PM
Quote from: Holly on Mar 19, 2021, 12:40 PM
presumably with a 50cal?  ;D

No...

(https://i.imgur.com/OsO3BCs.jpg)

close  ;D
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Jim Webster on Mar 20, 2021, 08:09 PM
That one looks like a small Punt gun  ;D
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 20, 2021, 08:49 PM
an elepunt gun
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Justin Swanton on Mar 20, 2021, 09:30 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Nick Harbud on Mar 21, 2021, 09:50 AM
Is it any good for shooting down quadcopters?
Title: Re: Time Team returns to our screens to excavate Roman Villa discovered nr Broughton
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 21, 2021, 10:25 AM
probably good for most things I would suspect