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Title: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Erpingham on Feb 28, 2021, 04:33 PM
I stumbled across this MA thesis (https://scholarworks.umt.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=12641&context=etd) while looking for something else.  It may be of interest to those who are interested in steppe nomad warfare.
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Justin Swanton on Feb 28, 2021, 05:32 PM
Building an empire one steppe at a time...
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Jim Webster on Feb 28, 2021, 08:58 PM
Quote from: Justin Swanton on Feb 28, 2021, 05:32 PM
Building an empire one steppe at a time...

groan  8)
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Imperial Dave on Feb 28, 2021, 09:22 PM
stepped in culture.....
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Justin Swanton on Feb 28, 2021, 10:04 PM
A nomad queen was known as a Miss Steppe.  For some reason there weren't very many of them.  ???
(sorry, I promise that's the last one)
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Jim Webster on Mar 01, 2021, 09:36 AM
Quote from: Justin Swanton on Feb 28, 2021, 10:04 PM
A nomad queen was known as a Miss Steppe.  For some reason there weren't very many of them.  ???
(sorry, I promise that's the last one)

otherwise one of us will grass you up
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Erpingham on Mar 01, 2021, 09:54 AM
I know how Harry (or Haz as his missus calls him) feels.  The need to steppe back from providing reading suggestions for my mental health sake  ???
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 01, 2021, 10:56 AM
it's only horse play....
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Justin Swanton on Mar 01, 2021, 11:08 AM
Quote from: Holly on Mar 01, 2021, 10:56 AM
it's only horse play....

Kind of like group therapy. Nomad is an island, after all...(urk! forgot!)
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 01, 2021, 11:11 AM
especially if saddled with expectations
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Justin Swanton on Mar 01, 2021, 11:19 AM
I think we need to bridle ourselves before someone really gets the bit between the teeth.
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 01, 2021, 11:55 AM
jumping to conclusions is another
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Justin Swanton on Mar 01, 2021, 12:38 PM
Somebody muzzle him!
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 01, 2021, 01:15 PM
rein it in...
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Erpingham on Mar 01, 2021, 01:37 PM
I do feel its time as a moderator to steppe in and say to stop flogging a dead horse.
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 01, 2021, 01:38 PM
 ;D

that'll just spur us on more
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: RichT on Mar 01, 2021, 02:09 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Mar 01, 2021, 01:37 PM
I do feel its time as a moderator to steppe in and say to stop flogging a dead horse.

Now that people have got the bit between their teeth, it will be hard to rein them in.
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Justin Swanton on Mar 01, 2021, 02:12 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Mar 01, 2021, 01:37 PM
I do feel its time as a moderator to steppe in and say to stop flogging a dead horse.

So long as we're being neighbourly...
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 01, 2021, 08:21 PM
in the mane, yes
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Justin Swanton on Mar 01, 2021, 08:26 PM
As it behooves us to be...
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 01, 2021, 08:32 PM
we are almost in the homestraight
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Nick Harbud on Mar 03, 2021, 09:41 AM
Quote from: Erpingham on Mar 01, 2021, 01:37 PM
I do feel its time as a moderator to steppe in and say to stop flogging a dead horse.

Attached is some good advice for those who find themselves in Anthony's position.

;)
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 03, 2021, 10:00 AM
 ;D
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Justin Swanton on Mar 03, 2021, 11:24 AM
Quote from: NickHarbud on Mar 03, 2021, 09:41 AM
Quote from: Erpingham on Mar 01, 2021, 01:37 PM
I do feel its time as a moderator to steppe in and say to stop flogging a dead horse.

Attached is some good advice for those who find themselves in Anthony's position.

;)

15. Declaring a horse to be dead is bigotry, since "life" and "death" are outmoded concepts of a narrow-minded mediaeval and patriarchal society, denying the individual the freedom to choose any number of states between "life" and "death" and identify with the one he/she/zie/ey/per/ve/xe/they feel comfortable with. Has the horse said it is dead or alive? Has it chosen an alternative state of existence - suspended animation, semi-quickening, zombification, or one of many, many others? We don't know, and so we can't judge.

Vive la liberté!
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Erpingham on Mar 03, 2021, 11:34 AM
Quote from: NickHarbud on Mar 03, 2021, 09:41 AM
Quote from: Erpingham on Mar 01, 2021, 01:37 PM
I do feel its time as a moderator to steppe in and say to stop flogging a dead horse.

Attached is some good advice for those who find themselves in Anthony's position.

;)

These all sound rather familiar :)  I didn't see the idea of killing other horses in order to replicate the success of the original dead horse project, though.

Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Duncan Head on Mar 03, 2021, 12:45 PM
We're touching on current affairs now - getting photographed sitting on a dead horse is not the done thing.
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 03, 2021, 01:57 PM
its ok, apparently he forgot he was sitting on a dead horse because the phone call completely blanked that fact out of his head.....
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Nick Harbud on Mar 03, 2021, 02:16 PM
Completely understandable.  I, myself, have witnessed on many occasions how a phone ring will induce an immediate interruption in whatever other activity the recipient might have been engaged in.  People conversing with you will suddenly stop in mid-sentence, a glazed expression will descend upon their faces as they mindlessly reach into their pockets.  I find it kindest at this point to walk away and get on with whatever it was I was doing before being interrupted.  Such is the mental confusion caused by these events that it will often be days before they can recall even being in conversation with me, let alone the subject under discussion.

Truly, phones are the best devices yet invented for keeping irritating nerks off one's back - even better than a zombie cage! 

:P
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 03, 2021, 02:21 PM
so when at a loss to get rid of a nuisance secretly 'trouser dial' that person's phone and walk away
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Erpingham on Mar 03, 2021, 02:37 PM
It is interesting to see the reaction to the dead horse case and how these things reflect culture.  In steppe culture, the priority would probably have been to butcher the carcass before it went off.
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Nick Harbud on Mar 03, 2021, 02:47 PM
Is there any etiquette associated with such nomadic roadkill?  I mean, is one allowed to partake of one's own steed that has died under one?  Can you eat any horse you have just killed? Or is it only those nags killed by others that suitable ingredients for the cooking pot?

It is important to know about such things when faced with a Mongol warrior or similar psychotic who might take matters sufficiently personally as to kill the transgressor.
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Erpingham on Mar 03, 2021, 02:53 PM
Almost certainly such things would be covered by social convention in modern steppe societies.  I doubt, however, we have the evidence on such things in terms of ancient peoples.  However, several members have an interest in such peoples and have studied writings both Eastern and Western describing these societies and may know the answers.
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Imperial Dave on Mar 03, 2021, 03:40 PM
undoubtedly....

it depends on whether the horse was venerated highly and thus not allowed to be eaten or viewed as a 'complete package' ie transport and mobile larder in one
Title: Re: Steppe Horse Archery
Post by: Jim Webster on Mar 03, 2021, 04:55 PM
Quote from: Holly on Mar 03, 2021, 10:00 AM
;D

Love it  ;D