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General Category => Army Research => Topic started by: Jim Webster on Jan 03, 2026, 07:30 PM

Title: Archaic Greeks in the Orient: Textual and Archaeological Evidence
Post by: Jim Webster on Jan 03, 2026, 07:30 PM
I was having a look round at Archaic Greek mercenaries in the Middle East and Egypt.

I managed to find an article, Archaic Greeks in the Orient: Textual and Archaeological Evidence, WOLF-DIETRICH NIEMEIER
I've read it on JSTOR but cannot download it for future reference, so wondered if anybody had JSTOR access who could find the pdf for me?
One comment that intrigued me was that in some places they were in very small numbers, and were assumed to be some sort of 'elite'.
That alone intrigued me enough to keep digging  8)
Title: Re: Archaic Greeks in the Orient: Textual and Archaeological Evidence
Post by: DBS on Jan 03, 2026, 07:47 PM
As far as the Neo-Assyrians were concerned, I suspect they viewed their Greeks not so much as elite, rather specialists, operating with Phoenicians ships that were bigger than the average riverine craft.
Title: Re: Archaic Greeks in the Orient: Textual and Archaeological Evidence
Post by: Jim Webster on Jan 03, 2026, 08:07 PM
Quote from: DBS on Jan 03, 2026, 07:47 PMAs far as the Neo-Assyrians were concerned, I suspect they viewed their Greeks not so much as elite, rather specialists, operating with Phoenicians ships that were bigger than the average riverine craft.

Yes. Specialists might be a better term than elites. They were also apparently at the Judean border fortress of Arad in the Northern Negev. So I'm now searching the internet for source material  :)
Title: Re: Archaic Greeks in the Orient: Textual and Archaeological Evidence
Post by: DBS on Jan 03, 2026, 08:25 PM
Am stuck in the office tonight but will see if I can dig out tomorrow the Assyrian references.
Title: Re: Archaic Greeks in the Orient: Textual and Archaeological Evidence
Post by: Jim Webster on Jan 03, 2026, 08:31 PM
Thanks David
Title: Re: Archaic Greeks in the Orient: Textual and Archaeological Evidence
Post by: DBS on Jan 03, 2026, 08:39 PM
In the meantime, there is also this thesis:
https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/classics/intranets/students/modules/warfare/essays/traders_pirates_warriors-_the_proto-history_of_greek_mercenary_soldiers_in_the_eastern_mediterranean_nino_luraghi.pdf
Title: Re: Archaic Greeks in the Orient: Textual and Archaeological Evidence
Post by: Jim Webster on Jan 03, 2026, 08:55 PM
Cheers David
Should keep me out of trouble for a while  :)
Title: Re: Archaic Greeks in the Orient: Textual and Archaeological Evidence
Post by: Duncan Head on Jan 03, 2026, 09:30 PM
I presume you've seen https://suppositorydepository.wordpress.com/2016/04/16/the-arad-and-lachish-letters-and-the-last-moments-of-the-kingdom-of-judah/

https://www.academia.edu/129750605/Itach_G_2025_A_Note_on_the_Identity_of_the_Ktym_in_the_Arad_Letters_Revue_Biblique_132_3_321_329 - just a summary - is an article that suggests the kittim of the Arad letters are in fact not Greeks at all.
Title: Re: Archaic Greeks in the Orient: Textual and Archaeological Evidence
Post by: Jim Webster on Jan 04, 2026, 06:50 AM
Hi Duncan, thanks for those, I suspect I wouldn't have found the suppositorydepository one. I have been looking for papers with a different view on Ktym