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Title: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Imperial Dave on Oct 11, 2025, 07:36 AM
https://www.medievalists.net/2025/10/can-you-solve-these-ten-medieval-mathematical-riddles/?utm_source=gravitec&utm_medium=push&utm_campaign=Push+Notification

Snail v knight  :)
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Duncan Head on Oct 11, 2025, 10:39 AM
So an "ounce of a foot" is an inch? Never come across that phrasing before, is that Alcuin being weird or the translator?
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Nick Harbud on Oct 11, 2025, 11:57 AM
Is that a US ounce or imperial ounce?    ???
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Nick Harbud on Oct 11, 2025, 12:00 PM
Of course, in 246 years and 210 days the snail would probably have died of old age, if not hunger.

It's a long way to go for a spot of lunch...

 :P
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Imperial Dave on Oct 11, 2025, 12:40 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Andreas Johansson on Oct 11, 2025, 04:35 PM
Quote from: Duncan Head on Oct 11, 2025, 10:39 AMSo an "ounce of a foot" is an inch? Never come across that phrasing before, is that Alcuin being weird or the translator?
I don't know, but it's probably relevant that "ounce" and "inch" are both from Latin uncia "twelfth part", by different routes.
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Imperial Dave on Oct 11, 2025, 07:12 PM
Ooooh, love a bit of etymology
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Nick Harbud on Oct 12, 2025, 07:37 AM
FWIW, a British Imperial pint contains 20 fluid ounces, whereas a US Customary pint has only 16.  Even stranger, the US fluid ounce contains 29.5735295625 mL, except on food labelling when it contains 30 mL.

None of the above should be confused with the international (Avoirdupois) ounce that is a measure of weight.

8)
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Erpingham on Oct 12, 2025, 10:04 AM
A pint of water weighs a pound and a quarter, as we learned in primary school. Hence an fluid ounce weighs an ounce.

Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Nick Harbud on Oct 12, 2025, 11:58 AM
...except in USA, where it weighs about 4% more.   :P
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Erpingham on Oct 12, 2025, 12:24 PM
Quote from: Nick Harbud on Oct 12, 2025, 11:58 AM...except in USA, where it weighs about 4% more.   :P


According to wiki, the Americans say "The pint is a pound the world around". However, a US pint weighs 16.6 ounces.
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Jon Freitag on Oct 12, 2025, 12:34 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Oct 12, 2025, 12:24 PMAccording to wiki, the Americans say "The pint is a pound the world around". However, a US pint weighs 16.6 ounces.
That is what we were taught in primary school.
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Nick Harbud on Oct 12, 2025, 12:48 PM
Yeah, I feel the SI units need some suitable mnemonics for the modern age...   

...Anyone know some good rhymes involving kilogrammes and litres?

 ???

Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Imperial Dave on Oct 12, 2025, 04:03 PM
Is it kilograms or kilogrammes though  ;D
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Erpingham on Oct 12, 2025, 05:32 PM
Quote from: Imperial Dave on Oct 12, 2025, 04:03 PMIs it kilograms or kilogrammes though  ;D

Kilos, just to play safe  :)
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Imperial Dave on Oct 12, 2025, 06:04 PM
That's a tonne off my mind....
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Denis Grey on Oct 12, 2025, 06:06 PM
Quote from: Nick Harbud on Oct 12, 2025, 12:48 PMYeah, I feel the SI units need some suitable mnemonics for the modern age... 

...Anyone know some good rhymes involving kilogrammes and litres?

 ???



A litre of water's a pint and three-quarters.  Two and a quarter pounds of jam weigh about a kilogramme.
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Keraunos on Oct 13, 2025, 09:29 AM
The meat on one of my lambs, about twenty kilogrammes  :)
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Erpingham on Oct 13, 2025, 10:15 AM
Quote from: Keraunos on Oct 13, 2025, 09:29 AMThe meat on one of my lambs, about twenty kilogrammes  :)

This does seem a rather agricultural one. City dwellers may struggle  :)
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Jim Webster on Oct 13, 2025, 02:05 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Oct 13, 2025, 10:15 AM
Quote from: Keraunos on Oct 13, 2025, 09:29 AMThe meat on one of my lambs, about twenty kilogrammes  :)

This does seem a rather agricultural one. City dwellers may struggle  :)


Anybody who has been hit amidships by a 40kg live weight lamb moving at speed and a couple of feet clear of the ground will struggle  ;)
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Denis Grey on Oct 13, 2025, 03:22 PM
Quote from: Jim Webster on Oct 13, 2025, 02:05 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Oct 13, 2025, 10:15 AM
Quote from: Keraunos on Oct 13, 2025, 09:29 AMThe meat on one of my lambs, about twenty kilogrammes  :)

This does seem a rather agricultural one. City dwellers may struggle  :)


Anybody who has been hit amidships by a 40kg live weight lamb moving at speed and a couple of feet clear of the ground will struggle  ;)

In the soya-latte sipping quarters, the very concept of lamb is a bit of a struggle.
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Imperial Dave on Oct 13, 2025, 03:58 PM
Let alone mutton...
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Jim Webster on Oct 13, 2025, 04:12 PM
Quote from: Imperial Dave on Oct 13, 2025, 03:58 PMLet alone mutton...

even when dressed as lamb
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Erpingham on Oct 13, 2025, 04:22 PM
Quote from: Imperial Dave on Oct 13, 2025, 03:58 PMLet alone mutton...

And let us not forget hoggett, which many regard as tastier than lamb but less tough than mutton.
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Imperial Dave on Oct 13, 2025, 05:32 PM
Not heard that one before 
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Erpingham on Oct 13, 2025, 05:56 PM
Hoggett (sometimes hogget) is the meat of a sheep between one and two years old. So between lamb and mutton in age. It's sometimes seen in Yorkshire butchers.
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Imperial Dave on Oct 13, 2025, 06:56 PM
Well well, you learn something new everyday

Mutton dressed as hoggett
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Cantabrigian on Oct 13, 2025, 09:04 PM
Quote from: Erpingham on Oct 12, 2025, 12:24 PMAccording to wiki, the Americans say "The pint is a pound the world around".

It's been a long, long time since you could get a pint for a pound in the UK...
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: RichT on Oct 14, 2025, 08:49 AM
Quote from: Imperial Dave on Oct 13, 2025, 06:56 PMWell well, you learn something new everyday

Mutton dressed as hoggett

You've not heard of Farmer Hoggett, as played by the great James Cromwell?
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Nick Harbud on Oct 14, 2025, 12:37 PM
I thought hoggetts were those short creatures with furry feet who lived in subterranean houses in the Shire....  :-[
Title: Re: Medieval riddles from Alcuin
Post by: Imperial Dave on Oct 14, 2025, 04:07 PM
Quote from: RichT on Oct 14, 2025, 08:49 AM
Quote from: Imperial Dave on Oct 13, 2025, 06:56 PMWell well, you learn something new everyday

Mutton dressed as hoggett

You've not heard of Farmer Hoggett, as played by the great James Cromwell?

Another thing I missed first time around